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dparker
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 Posted - 10/22/2021 : 23:15:07
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Here we go. These are the tiebreakers that need to be resolved. I am still entering scores and there may be more later tonight that I will add to this list.
4A - region 6 - 3 way tie for first place
3A - region 5 - 3 way tie for first place
3A - region 7 - 3 way tie for first place
2A - region 5 - 3 way ties for the 2,3,4 places
2A - region 2 - 3 way tie for first place
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TheMUBM
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Posted - 10/23/2021 : 08:50:14
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4a 6 will come down to wins of defeated non region opponents. Oneonta easily wins that.
1.) oneonta
2.) good hope (h2h over etowah)
3.) etowah
4.) Dora |
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TheMUBM
AHSFHS Moderator
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Posted - 10/23/2021 : 09:00:38
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3a 5 won?t be resolved until next week.
If Piedmont beats Alexandria they will have their defeated non region opponents with the most wins and it will be
Piedmont
Saks
Ohatchee
If they don?t then saks will have the most and it will be
Saks
Ohatchee
Piedmont. |
Edited by - TheMUBM on 10/23/2021 09:01:51 |
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TheMUBM
AHSFHS Moderator
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Posted - 10/23/2021 : 09:19:16
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3a7 should come down to tie breaker N since the teams don't play an equal number of games. And that's total wins of defeated opponents.
Fyffe stands at 29 could be as high as 37 after next week
Sylvania is at 23 could be as high as 33 after next week
Geraldine is at 19 could be as high as 25 after next week |
Edited by - TheMUBM on 10/23/2021 10:03:14 |
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TheMUBM
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Posted - 10/23/2021 : 09:51:45
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2A 5 is as follows:
1.) Midfield
2.) Aliceville (by virtue of beating the other two they are tied with Sulligent & Lamar County)
3.) Lamar Co (H2H over Sulligent)
4.) Sulligent |
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TheMUBM
AHSFHS Moderator
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Posted - 10/23/2021 : 10:01:56
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2A 2 is like the Fyffe region. It can't be satisfied by any in-region tiebreakers and they don't play the same amount of games so it goes to overall wins of all defeated opponents.
Aritons total is 34, could be as high as 39 after next week.
Elba is at 36, could be as high as 40 next week.
Long is at 25, could be as high as 34 next week. |
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dparker
Forum Admin
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Posted - 10/23/2021 : 11:05:42
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Here is an updated list of tie breakers we now need. Some will need to be resolved next week.
6A - region 5 - 3 way tie for 3,4,5 place
6A - region 6 - 3 way tie for 2,3,4 places
5A - region 4 - 3 way tie for first place
4A - region 5 - 3 way tie for fourth place
4A - region 6 - 3 way tie for first place - THIS IS RESOLVED
3A - region 5 - 3 way tie for first place - RESOLVED NEXT WEEK
3A - region 7 - 3 way tie for first place - THIS IS RESOLVED
2A - region 5 - 3 way ties for 2,3,4 places - THIS IS RESOLVED
2A - region 2 - 3 way tie for first place - RESOLVED NEXT WEEK
David Parker
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TheMUBM
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Posted - 10/23/2021 : 11:16:58
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| 2A 5 is resolved. |
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TheMUBM
AHSFHS Moderator
704 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2021 : 11:23:26
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4A Region 5 will go to defeated non region opponents wins to resolve the fourth spot
Hamilton currently has 7, could have as much as 11 next week
Haleyville has 0, will finish with 0
Oak Grove has 0, could finish with as much as 2.
Thus Hamilton will be in the 4th spot for this region. |
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TheMUBM
AHSFHS Moderator
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Posted - 10/23/2021 : 11:37:43
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5A 4 should go to tie breaker N as some of the others because the teams do not play an equal number of games.
Right now Clays defeated opponents have 19 wins
Sylacaugas have 24
Tallassees have 25
Obviously potential for all teams to rack up more next week. Clay has Handley, so if Clay beats them, that's 7 more added to their total. |
Edited by - TheMUBM on 10/23/2021 11:38:22 |
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TheMUBM
AHSFHS Moderator
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Posted - 10/23/2021 : 11:41:28
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| Just to be clear when I am adding up the numbers, I am adding them in the spirit of the rule and adding all wins since that is the way it is written but to really figure it out you don't have to include a teams win total that all three tied teams have beaten because it just cancels each other out. |
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TheMUBM
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Posted - 10/23/2021 : 11:46:17
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For instance, I could just as easily say Tallassees defeated opponents have 12 wins (Central Clay & Reeltown) with a potential for 6 more (Clay and Reeltown winning next week and then getting 4 for beating Carroll). No need to really count Elmore County, Beauregard, Holtville or Talladega since all teams beat them and the wins would go to all.
It may be easier to understand if done that way.
Taking that into consideration, Clay is at 10, with 1 guaranteed next week because Ben Russell and Sylacauga play next week and both were beaten by Clay. and another potential 8 (1 if Chilton County wins and 7 if they beat Handley).
Sylacauga has 15 (Lincoln, Tallassee, Childersburg) and potential for 4 more (win by Tallassee, win by Childersburg and beating Ben Russell will give them 2). |
Edited by - TheMUBM on 10/23/2021 11:52:44 |
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dparker
Forum Admin
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Posted - 10/23/2021 : 11:53:25
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I threw together a page to help with the tiebreakers as I understand them.
Check this out and see if it helps. It is something I have used the past few years and just thought I would share it this year.
I just need to make sure I am applying the correct rule in each case.
https://www.ahsfhs.org/articles2021/potb.asp
David Parker
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TheMUBM
AHSFHS Moderator
704 Posts |
Posted - 10/23/2021 : 12:32:10
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I am working on a spreadsheet but there is nowhere to upload it. But through doing the spreadsheet, I have determined Fyffe has won their region as they mathematically can't be caught which would put the region
Fyffe
Sylvania
Geraldine |
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TheMUBM
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Posted - 10/23/2021 : 13:01:56
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| I overlooked Haleyvilles win over Phil Campbell so I am redoing that region. |
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WinstonCountyGrad
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Posted - 10/25/2021 : 13:29:44
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Nice work!
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Proud native of the "Free State of Winston" |
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powerlineman
AHSFHS Forum Master
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Posted - 10/26/2021 : 23:28:38
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Sylacauga
Lincoln will stay at 6 (Open)
Tallassee at 6 (Carroll, likely win)
Childersburg at 3 (Fayetteville, possible win)
Elmore County at 0 (Jemison, possible win)
Beauregard at 3 (Holt, likely win)
Talladega at 1 (they're not beating Shelby County)
Holtville at 5 (Reeltown, possible win)
Ben Russell at 2
TOTAL: 24
My prediction: 31 (Tallassee, Childersburg, Elmore, Beauregard, Holtville all win and Sylacauga beats Ben Russell)
Clay Central
Clanton at 2 (Marbury, likely loss)
Ben Russell at 2 (Sylacauga, likely loss)
Sylacauga at 7 (Ben Russell, likely win)
Elmore County at 0 (Jemison, likely win)
Beauregard at 3 (Holt, likely win)
Talladega at 1 (Shelby Co, likely loss)
Holtville at 5 (Reeltown, possible win)
Handley at 7 (toss up)
TOTAL: 20
My prediction: 31 (Sylacauga, Elmore, Beauregard, Holtville all win and Clay beats Handley)
Tallassee
Reeltown at 5 (Holtville, possible loss)
Elmore County at 0 (Jemison, likely win)
Beaureagard at 3 (Holt, likely win)
Talladega at 1 (Shelby Co, likely loss)
Holtville at 5 (Reeltown, possible win)
Clay Central at 7 (Handley, toss up)
Carroll at 4 (likely win)
Total: 21
My prediction: 29 (Elmore, Beauregard, Holtville, Clay Central all win and they beat Carroll)
If everything plays out the way I think, then Sylacauga and Clay tie at 31 overall points and since 2 of the 3 teams stand out in the tiebreaker it goes head to head which means Clay would win and Sylacauga gets 2 and Tallassee 3.
But Clay could easily lose to Handley, but they rarely lose to Handley even though the games are ALWAYS close it seems. If Handley could defeat Clay, then Sylacauga will more than likely win this region and Tallassee would get 2 and Clay goes to 3. |
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powerlineman
AHSFHS Forum Master
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Posted - 10/27/2021 : 00:03:59
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6A Region 5
Tiebreaker L (defeated non region opponents)
HOMEWOOD
Hillcrest at 7 (Demopolis, possible win)
Vestavia at 3 (Shades Valley, toss up)
Pelham at 6 (I think they beat Pelham)
TOTAL: 10
Possible: I could see 7 more at least (Hillcrest winning and they beat Pelham to end up with Vestavia more than likely winning too to give them 8 more to end up with 18)
CHELSEA
Pelham at 6 (Homewood, possible loss)
Calera at 6 (I think they lose to Calera)
TOTAL: 6
Possible: I think Chelsea is locked in at 6 but you never know.
SHADES VALLEY
No non region wins and even if they beat Vestavia that would only give them 3.
TOTAL: 0
Possible: 3 max.
If Homewood wins their game, this region is decided with Homewood getting 3, then Chelsea 4 since they beat SV head to head. Chelsea needs Homewood to lose, Chelsea defeats Calera and then that would eliminated Homewood altogether as Chelsea would get 3, Shades Valley would then get 4 due to their head to head over Homewood.
Shades Valley needs Homewood to lose and Chelsea to win so Chelsea would win out on points, then SV and Homewood would settle their tie for 4th head to head in which SV won so SV would the spot then. If Homewood wins, they eliminate SV for a playoff spot. |
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powerlineman
AHSFHS Forum Master
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Posted - 10/27/2021 : 00:29:13
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6A Region 6
Tiebreaker L
JACKSON OLIN
Woodlawn at 1 (Minor, likely loss)
Calera at 6 (Chelsea, possible win)
Fairfield at 6 (Central Tuscaloosa, likely win)
Wenonah at 1 (likely win)
TOTAL: 13
Possible: It's possible they score 3 more points.
PINSON VALLEY
Shades Valley at 3 (Vestavia, possible loss)
Ramsay at 5 (OPEN)
Lee-Montgomery at 6
TOTAL: 8
Possible: Who knows with the Lee game but I think PV is stuck at 8 for good but can do no better 15
GARDENDALE
Sparkman at 4 (Muscle Shoals, likely loss)
Bessemer City at 0 (Jasper, likely loss)
Shades Valley at 3 (Vestavia, possible loss)
Florence at 5 (likely loss)
TOTAL: 7
Possible: I think Gardendale loses and they don't get any points from their opponents.
PV needs a win and for Jackson Olin and their opponents to lose. JO is going to win barring a miracle so they probably gain 2 points at the least to give them 15. Pinson Valley can do no better than 15 period. Since JO beat PV head to head it's looking more likely that JO is going to win this tiebreaker. It's hard for me to believe JO would lose to a 1-win Wenonah and Fairfield would lose to Central-Tuscaloosa. Either way if JO scores at least 2 points somehow this week this tiebreaker is over and JO gets the 2 seed, PV gets the 3 and Gardendale 4.
Now if the miracle does happen and PV can get the 2nd spot, then this would boost Gardendale to 3 and JO would fall to 4th.
Either way Pinson Valley is in win only mode, if they lose then they have no shot at 2nd place and guarantees JO wins the 2 spot if PV does in fact lose.
It's almost to the point you can say Jackson-Olin will win the 2 seed, Pinson is going to get the 3 due to their head to head over Gardendale and the Rockets ending up 4th. |
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powerlineman
AHSFHS Forum Master
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Posted - 10/27/2021 : 00:34:48
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But I've probably missed on some of them so I've probably got a few wrong |
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TheMUBM
AHSFHS Moderator
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Posted - 10/27/2021 : 10:37:58
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| I did a spreadsheet, but nowhere to upload it here, but I sent it to David. I know I had one mistake on it that I realized Monday morning so I have corrected it and will be following the games closely this weekend and try to have quick results in. |
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