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NorthALBall
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 Posted - 10/27/2025 : 09:52:39
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First, a huge thank you to AL Preps for doing a great job working through all of these tie breaker scenarios and keeping us up to date on our football "Bracketology".
Here are the scenarios left to resolve in Week 10.
7A
Region 4:
Florence, Austin, Sparkman and James Clemens all tied at 5-2 in the region.
IF Austin wins OR if everyone loses: 1. Austin 2. JC 3. Sparkman 4. Florence
IF Austin loses and JC wins: 1. JC 2. Florence 3. Austin 4. Sparkman
IF Austin & JC lose & Florence wins: 1. Florence 2. Austin 3. JC 4. Sparkman
6A Region 1
As long as Gulf Shores defeats 0-9 Murphy then - 3. Gulf Shores 4. McGill Toolen.
3A Region 8
If Sylvania defeats Pisgah then Sylvania is your 4, otherwise Sylvania is eliminated.
If Sylvania loses - if Whitesburg defeats Sand Rock they are the 4.
Otherwise we would have to wait and see the results from Gaston & Hanceville to determine the 3 way tiebreaker.
3A Region 6
Piedmont (7-0), Westbrook Christian (6-1), Glencoe (6-1) & Walter Wellborn (5-2) are your playoff qualifiers.
There are four possible outcomes from Friday nights games (Piedmont vs. Glencoe & Westbrook vs. Wellborn)
IF Piedmont & Westbrook win: 1. Piedmont 2. Westbrook 3. Glencoe 4. Wellborn
IF Piedmont & Wellborn win: 1. Piedmont, 3 way tie for 2-4.
IF Glencoe & Westbrook win: 3 way tie for 1st, 4. Wellborn
IF Glencoe & Wellborn win: 1. Glencoe 2. Piedmont 3. Wellborn 4. Westbrook
1A Region 3
R.C. Hatch, Holy Spirit & Choctaw County are all tied (3-3) in the region.
The only way for Holy Spirit to make the playoffs if for R.C. Hatch to lose to Dallas County.
If R.C. Hatch wins & Wilcox Central wins, then R.C. Hatch is the 3, Choctaw County is the 4.
If R.C. Hatch wins & Wilcox loses, then Choctaw Co is the 3 & R.C. Hatch is the 4.
I have tried to double check and verify everything through the Sports Book and al preps. Let me know if you see something wrong with this thinking.
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Patriots70
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Posted - 10/27/2025 : 17:20:58
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ALPreps (aka me) was wrong apparently on 7A Region 4. The AHSAA has given the region title to Sparkman.
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NorthALBall
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Posted - 10/27/2025 : 17:26:47
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Originally posted by Patriots70
ALPreps (aka me) was wrong apparently on 7A Region 4. The AHSAA has given the region title to Sparkman.
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I think they just had a new way of interpreting all of those tie breakers from a completely new AHSAA staff. It speaks to the new regime change and experience (or lack thereof) when dealing with these such issues. |
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dparker
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Posted - 10/27/2025 : 17:30:32
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Thanks to ALPREPS.com. If you wish to read the explanation check them out. Jon does a great job with a near impossible task of figuring out the tie breakers for us and every other fan across the state.
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Tom Servo
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Posted - 10/28/2025 : 00:09:14
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Has there ever been a 4 way tie like we have in 7A R4? I read Alpreps application of the tie breakers and it makes sense but the bold headline above all those tie breaker scenarios does say ?IF MORE THAN TWO TEAMS TIE? b,c,d,e etc.
The sub paragraphs strictly says ?2 TEAMS? and Alpreps application makes far more sense than the AHSAA interpretation. Is there not a previous 4-way tie that can be used as guidance? How Sparkman gets the title with a 5-5 record when not one tie breaker in Alpreps scenario gets them a title seems mighty odd. |
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GoldenTiger86
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Posted - 10/28/2025 : 05:53:29
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Originally posted by Tom Servo
Has there ever been a 4 way tie like we have in 7A R4? I read Alpreps application of the tie breakers and it makes sense but the bold headline above all those tie breaker scenarios does say ?IF MORE THAN TWO TEAMS TIE? b,c,d,e etc.
The sub paragraphs strictly says ?2 TEAMS? and Alpreps application makes far more sense than the AHSAA interpretation. Is there not a previous 4-way tie that can be used as guidance? How Sparkman gets the title with a 5-5 record when not one tie breaker in Alpreps scenario gets them a title seems mighty odd.
In 2009, there was actually a FIVE-WAY tie for first in 5A, Region 1. St. Paul's ended up being the team left out. |
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Patriots70
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Posted - 10/28/2025 : 08:42:49
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quote:
Originally posted by Tom Servo
Has there ever been a 4 way tie like we have in 7A R4? I read Alpreps application of the tie breakers and it makes sense but the bold headline above all those tie breaker scenarios does say ?IF MORE THAN TWO TEAMS TIE? b,c,d,e etc.
The sub paragraphs strictly says ?2 TEAMS? and Alpreps application makes far more sense than the AHSAA interpretation. Is there not a previous 4-way tie that can be used as guidance? How Sparkman gets the title with a 5-5 record when not one tie breaker in Alpreps scenario gets them a title seems mighty odd.
While I understand what the AHSAA is saying, I've never interpreted it the way they are. That's why I had it the way I did originally.
There actually was a 5-way tie last year in 3A Region 6 (it was for third, not first), but it was easily solvable based on one team having a win over a top seed, then the 4-way solved with a two-team tie at the top. The difference is three teams being tied at the top with this, but I guess it's just super rare so we didn't have a firm understanding.
Or as we can always say with the AHSAA - who knows...
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NorthALBall
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Posted - 10/29/2025 : 10:00:49
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| I think it goes back to the completely new staff at the AHSAA. As you said, no one has ever looked at it that way when there are multiple teams tied at the top. It goes against the idea that you can't "lose" a tiebreaker. Beacuse now, you obviously can by just eliminating one team at a time. |
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NorthALBall
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Posted - 10/31/2025 : 08:38:12
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Whitesburg Christian defeated Sand Rock and Sylvania lost to Pisgah on Thursday.
That moves Whitesburg to the 4 seed and they're rewarded with a trip to Mars Hill.
R.C. Hatch received a forfeit win against Dallas County on Thursday night to lock up their spot in the playoffs. Now, we await the outcome of Wilcox Central and Monroe County. Holy Spirit is rooting for the winless Jaguars so they can grab a playoff spot.
Gulf Shores defeated winless Murphy to lock up the 3 seed, and McGill Toolen will be the 4 regardless of outcome tonight.
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dparker
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Posted - 10/31/2025 : 09:06:01
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NorthALBall -
Correct me if I am wrong but since RC Hatch won the tiebreaker that would give Holy Spirit the 4th spot since they beat Choctaw County.
Once one team wins that tiebreaker you settle the remaining two teams with head-to-head right?
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NorthALBall
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Posted - 10/31/2025 : 10:10:58
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I don't think R.C. Hatch has won the tie breaker. It is in tie breaker N - total victories.
Cancelling out the common opponents they're now:
R.C. Hatch - 6 (Holy Spirit 4, Dallas County 2, Wilcox 0)
Choctaw County - 6 (Sumter Central 1, R.C. Hatch 5)
Holy Spirit - 4 (Choctaw Co. 4, Sumiton 0)
Wilcox Central has a game tonight and could push R.C. Hatch to win the tiebreaker.
If they stay tied at 6 - Choctaw Co beat R.C. Hatch so they're 3, R.C. Hatch defeated Holy Spirit so they would be 4.
If R.C. Hatch can win the tie breaker and get to 7 then they would win outright and HS defeated CC so then Holy Spirit would be the 4. |
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dparker
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Posted - 10/31/2025 : 10:22:44
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I was asked about 6A Region 8. Could ALPREPS have missed something there if Southside defeats Pell City tonight. I think they could get that 4th spot possibly.
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TheMUBM
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Posted - 10/31/2025 : 10:38:15
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Originally posted by dparker
I was asked about 6A Region 8. Could ALPREPS have missed something there if Southside defeats Pell City tonight. I think they could get that 4th spot possibly.
David Parker
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From what I see, this is correct. If SSG were to win over Pell City they'd be at 7 non region defeated opponents wins, which Mae Jemison is at now and they can't get anymore. Then it would revert to head to head which SS won against Mae.
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Patriots70
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Posted - 10/31/2025 : 10:53:12
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That was just me putting the wrong numbers for 6A Region 8 and then living by those numbers. If Southside beats Pell City, it's a tie at 7 and Southside will win.
As for RC Hatch, it's not done yet. Them and Choctaw County should be tied due to it being tiebreaker N (since Choctaw County had only 9 games). So it's up to winless Wilcox Central.
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dparker
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Posted - 10/31/2025 : 10:54:29
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Thanks guys. We will get all this figured out soon enough.
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NorthALBall
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Posted - 10/31/2025 : 11:32:13
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I feel like everyone is second guessing themselves after the 7A-4 tie breaker now. But it will become official tomorrow.
The TimesDaily was careful to point out that the tie breaker for 7A-4 was not settled until the teams meet tomorrow and figure it out. I am sure that is Florence's position to contest that interpretation of the tie breaker. |
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OLCoach2014
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Posted - 10/31/2025 : 13:20:42
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Originally posted by NorthALBall
I feel like everyone is second guessing themselves after the 7A-4 tie breaker now. But it will become official tomorrow.
The TimesDaily was careful to point out that the tie breaker for 7A-4 was not settled until the teams meet tomorrow and figure it out. I am sure that is Florence's position to contest that interpretation of the tie breaker.
Is there a precedent set by AHSAA from a previous year? I'm sure Florence would present such a case in an appeal/argument at the playoff meeting. I guess we will all have to sit tight and see. |
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